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of face time with president obama and mitt romney. both campaigned hard in the buckeye state tuesday. in fact romney is spending four out of five days there this week. the reason? a new cnn orc international poll shows it is a close race for ohio's 18 electoral votes with 51% backing president obama, 47% for romney. made closer after last week's debate. meanwhile ohio's election chief has asked the supreme court to reinstate a new lieu that cuts off the final three days of early voting. an appeals court blocked the law pushed through by state republicans. as romney continues to campaign in ohio, president obama is back at the white house this morning. and nbc's tracie potts joins us with all the latest from washington. good morning. >> reporter: good morning, everyone. the president dealing with romney closing the gap in a number of these battleground states, continues to say that the $5 trillion tax cut romney's proposing would add to the deficit and romney insists it is absolutely not true. >> he said if he says it's not true, then it's not true. okay. >> reporter: in battleground
battleground, obama and romney both in ohio tonight. the state that matters most to republicans. first, romney kicks off the day at a family farm in iowa where he will be speaking minutes from now. and the battle over big bird, the president turns his attack into a punch line and a commercial, as sesame workshop and senator john mccain cried foul over the obama campaign's new bird ad. >> elmo is -- has been seen in a white suburban he's driving for the border. oscar is hide out in his trash can. we're cracking down on them. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going to bring the hammer down on sesame street. >> one thing that president obama can't run on is his record, and so big bird, i guess, is a fun thing to talk about. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. president obama and mitt romney are heading back to ohio today in a very different situation than the last time they campaigned in the battleground state. the new pew poll know shows governor romney ahead among likely voters. it's the latest dose of reality for the obama camp in a race that
can do both. i think romney is doing both and romney -- watching him right now is watching him go through the different phases of romney, 509s shades of romney shall we say. >> that's exactly what they have thought. so people have talked about this a lot. the notion of they were kind of a fork in the road in the spring. do we want to run against him as a flip flopping phony or run against -- coreless, their pitch before, or do we want to cast him as a right wing radical. they seemed to and did make a decision to do right wing radical and one on throughout. i talked about david plouffe about this in may and he said we're going do both when we have to. we're going to say mitt romney there he goes trying to flip flop, coreless a phony, but not forget where he actually is, and then this is -- we're going to keep trying to pin him back to these positions he's taken. i think they have been horrible since the debate, the obama campaign. they are -- jon ward understates the degree to which they are knocked off guard and they are flailing right now and the stuff they're saying, the big bir
, they both say an iranian nuclear weapon is unacceptable, but i tend to think that romney would perhaps give israel the green light to bomb sooner than obama might. this is a question of nuance. i happen to wind up on the dovish side of this issue or at least the relatively dovish side and prefer obama's apparently greater restraint and patience, but i think that's the issue where i see potentially a greater disagreement, even though their beginning statement is the same. but then romney has said he'd be less concerned about a possible israeli strike. i'm quite concerned about that. i think the president is, too. >> indeed. eugene, mitt romney in his speech today suggested that the turmoil in the middle east was because, and i'm quoting him, the president has not led. but when romney's advisers are pressed for answers, they tell "the new york times" to come back on november the 7th after the election. is that leadership? >> well, no. i mean, look, let's be honest, the whole thrust of the speech was to make it sound as if mitt romney's foreign policy would be bolder and more leader-like than
presidential politics. look at this, both the romney and obama campaigns are out stumping now, tonight in ohio. governor romney and president obama have 50 possible states to fight over, at least theoretically. they have nine or so swing states that seem to actually be in play. tonight mitt romney and barack obama are both in just one state. mr. romney appearing with chris christie and rob portman in akron, ohio. the president showing up with will.i.am. at ohio state in columbus. >> buckeyes, we need you. we need you fired up. >> we're going to do it. ohio's going to elect me the next president of the united states. >> all the interest in competing in ohio, the desperate need to win the election in ohio, the dualing rallies and the ground games and all of that. all of that comes from the context of a big surprising decision in ohio this afternoon, about how the election is going to be run there this year. back in 2004, the night that the democratic ticket decided not to concede the race on election night because they were waiting on those results from ohio, part of what was happening in ohio i
politics. both the romney and the obama campaigns are out stumping tonight. mitt romney and president obama have 50 possible states to fight over. they have nine or so swing states that seem to actually be in play. tonight mitt romney and barack obama are both in just one state. mr. romney appearing with chris christie and rob portman in akron, ohio. the president showing up with will.i.am. >> buckeyes, we need you. we need you fired up. >> ohio is going to elect me the next president of the united states. >> all the interest in competing in ohio, the desperate need to win the election in ohio, the dualing rallies and the ground games, all that comes from the context of a big surprising decision in ohio this afternoon. about how the election is going to be run there this year. back in 2004, the night that the democratic ticket decided not to concede the race on election night because they were waiting on results. part of what was happening in '04 was this. these horrendous epic lines for ohio voters. they waited ten hours and more in ohio in 2004 to cast a vote. es
in romney's favor. last night, the show was all about biden versus biden. so the vice president gave both sides a lot to latch on to. for the democratic base, it was a great performance. biden went out and did exactly what president obama did not do in his first debate. he pressed his opponent. he gave an aggressive performance. for paul ryan, he stood on the stage or sat, in this case, and was able to hold his own against the vice president. >> so keith, do you think that congressman ryan held his own? >> i do not. >> surprise. i knew you were going to -- >> obviously mitt romney did a much better job, i think, last week. i don't think this -- >> let me pause you on that. you think mitt romney did a better job because so many democrats were saying the reason that the president struggled is because he was being hit with untruths and inaccuracies by mitt romney. how did that come as a better job when today you're not hear a lot of hard fact check at least rebuttal on what congressman ryan -- you may disagree with the policy plan but his facts in many cases were not as opposed as mitt romne
with normforme governor romney's. >> good afternoon to you, alex. this is a town hall debate, so both are tailoring to that. mitt romney is sparring with ohio senator rob partman. i'm told he's already engaged in several telephone town halls. he's had several time to prep leading up to today. those who know mitt romney say this really plays to his strength. romney's challenge is going to be match the performance he delivered in the first debate. and that gets us to president obama. he has to sharpen his performance after the first debate that many described as lack laster. the aides say they're going to adjust his strategy. they're here working on that. they will only say that president obama is again spars with senator john kerry and reading through a lot of materials to get ready for the debate. reporters who are at president obama's hotel where he's prep e preparing right now have already seen a number of advisers walking around with thick binders. so clearly preparations and practice has begun for the day. but president obama's spothers say in order to win the debate has to deliv
and governor romney are both holed up and hunkered done, getting ready for tuesday's big dae bait. their surrogates and spokespeople are out in full force, putting forth their views on the tightening polls. >> as i've said even when the polls were wildly positive for us, that these public polls are all over the place. and the reality of the race on the ground is that we're ahead, it's a little bit narrower than it was before the last debate. but we feel good about where we are and we've got a great ground game going. >> i think the race is very close. i think the wind is at governor romney's back and there's momentum you can see on the trail, you can see it in the data. but the country is pretty evenly divide and we've always felt this was going to be a close election. a close race. i knew that when we were behind in the polls, i know it now that we're ahead in the polls, but i believe that momentum is clearly on governor romney's side. >> look at how close this has become at the national level. a new gallup poll of registered voters gives the president a slim two-point edge. but
. obama would like to have spending end up at 23%. romney and ryan both want it down at 20%. so there's a clear difference, and they all agree on where it should go. what gets interesting is as you dig into the detail of what gets cut, and you'll see some very, i think, fascinating differences among these guys. so on social security, as you heard president obama say in the last debate, the three guys are actually in the same place. they want to spend the same amount on social security in the next ten years. when you get to medicare, romney and ryan are in the same place, but romney actually a as you also heard him say, wants to repeal the $716 billion. it's actually $900 billion of cuts. he would spend more on medicare than ryan or obama. and then you have obamacare. >> let me ask you really quickly. if anybody has heard, let me know. has mitt romney said what he wants to do with the $716 billion? >> essentially it would be used to get his spending down to that 20% level because you're going to see in a minute, he has a bunch of other places he wants to spend money. >> spend the $716
popular in ohio? both candidates rb there today, mitt romney will be there five of the next days and here's what reince priebus told me yesterday. >> as far as if you can win without ohio, i think you can. obviously, we're doing well out west in colorado and nevada. >> fact of the matter is, you talk to almost any republican analyst and they say ohio is critical to their success, and they wouldn't be putting their candidate there four out of the next five days in this home stretch if they didn't think they had a chance. do you think the republicans smell blood in ohio, congresswoman? >> well, no republican has actually won the presidency in modern history without ohio, so it's natural that they would be here, but more importantly, they're here because barack obama is winning ohio and ohio intends to send him back to the white house. most importantly, here in cleveland and across northern ohio, because he saved the auto industry. and one of eight jobs in ohio relates to that critical industry, which by the way, has had the highest level of sales since february of 2008 last month. so -- >>
. 51%, 45%. they are both there today. we're going to listen to mitt romney live in just a moment. topping our political headlines, though, within the hour, president obama is scheduled to land in newport, virginia, he's on his way to williamsburg where he's preparing for tuesday. he used the radio and internet address to focus on the economy, touting the impact of the bailout. >> to let detroit go bankrupt. i bet on american work and ingenuity and three years later that bet is paying off in a big kwa. today auto sales are higher thain even about been in three years. gm is back. ford and chrysler are growing again. we've created a quart ore of a a million new jobs right here in america. >> mitt romney holding a rally in ohio. this hour. it's about to get under way. in fact, we're going get a live update from the campaign trail in just a moment. in their weekly address, republicans also talking about the economy. it was delivered by oklahoma congressional candidate mark wayne mullet. >> he gets it. republican majority in the house has passed several bipartisan common sense proposal
's next campaign event kicks off in less than an hour in ohio. tomorrow both mitt romney and president obama will be hunkered down, prepping for the next presidential debate. tuesday town hall format. i want to bring the brain trust in for a few more minutes if we can. jennifer rubin, the "washington post" there is bob, there is kevin. jennifer, i want to start with you. what more will we be talking about the morning after the debate? >> i'll give you a "new york post" kind of headline. 'bama bashed on benghazi. >> that's good. >> libya is becoming an issue, and joe biden actually opened up a couple of issues for him. you a drip, drip, drip now every day from "newsweek," from "new york times." a lot of finger-pointing going on between the state, between the intelligence community, the white house. i think the president is going to have to do some explaining. and i think mitt romney is probably going to begin to make this one of his top issues. >> kevin? >> the latest faked up scandal by the republicans, the nonscandal in benghazi. the headline is going to be signs of life, because i th
on that issue. here's the difference. both can be a bad cop china, but romney's also a good cop to work out a positive trade agenda to grow the economy as well. >> let me ask you about ohio. it's your home state. what's been happening there? maybe things have shrunk. what were you thinking? >> i still get the sense obama's ahead. i think that might have been a obama high point. i think he was trending down, then the debate happened. i just came back from a few days in ohio. i think he's outspending romney on tv there. i think they both have a very strong ground game. sherrod brown's probably a point or two up on that as well. so i think it comes to the next two debates. it's a swing state. results will be within 1% of the national results. >> item going to hold you there. virginia will be the one that's closer. always good to have you here. thank you, sir. our monday political panel is here to kick off the week, but first, it's columbus day. you know what that means? this is the day that columbus sailed a ocean blue and did not have time for soup. the mess is closed. don't forget to check o
tonight, strong debate from both the president and mitt romney, campaign team. first, here is the campaign adviser, robert gibbs. >> it takes a long time to dig out of this avalanche of bad decisions that were before the obama presidency, one thing we see is clear, mitt romney's plan is to go back to a failed economic theory of tax cuts for the rich, despite the fact he deny attend tax cuts, and the math. and let's go to war with sesame street but give wall street a big, wet, kiss, that is call what got us into this mess, we spent four years digging out of it. >>> meanwhile, gingrich saying the numbers were good for the president, but the overall picture is still gloomy. >> i think it was a significant help to the president. imagine coming out at 8.2 following the debate, i mean people would have entered the week saying it is close to the end. so it is part of the whole process, the campaign will go down to the end. it will be one of the most interesting campaigns in american history, i think you will see it go back and forth somewhat. on friday, the imf said probably no recovery until 201
. >> i mean governor romney, this is his fourth day in a row in ohio. i think both campaigns have been pretty clear how important the buckeye state is. i'll ask is there a path to 270 for you guys without ohio? >> look. i don't think they've written ohio out or excuse me off. it's still their path to 270. that's why they're there. because there's excitement on the ground there. you're seeing vol -- >> can you win the presidency without ohio? >> yes. i believe so. i've not done the private polling. look what they're doing. they wouldn't be there if this wasn't a winnable state for them. one of the things you should look at, take a look at maine. there's a chance you're seeing an erosion of support for obama in a very blue state where one of them is actually pulling higher than ohio. this happened in '08 with nebraska. >> before i let you out of here, we saw them talking about abortion and he knew of no abortion legislation that would be part of his plan and ryan said he wouldn oppose it except in the cases of rape and incest and life or death of a mother. >> as a woman, i saw no dayligh
, of course, would romney be as motivated to work across the aisle if, for example, both the senate and the house nationally are republican controlled in that case he would likely be facing a lot of people thinking exactly the way ante tax crusader grover norquist summed it up. watch norquist in action. >> we are not auditioning for fearless leader. we don't need a president to tell us what direction to go. we know what direction we want to go. we want the paul ryan budget which cuts spending $6 trillion. the republicans in the house have passed 24-plus bills that create jobs and opportunity and strip out regulations. we just need a president to sign this stuff. and pick a republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the united states. >> you know, that's not an unfair shot. he basically believes he has those pledges in his pocket. he knows he can control fiscal policy in the congress with or without the new president. he's got romney's arms tied in the same way that the religion right has his arms tied on abortion rights, same-sex, the way the knee o
're both there. romney kicks off a two-day ohio journey, he'll be back in ohio again on friday. meanwhile the president holds an evening rally at ohio state university in columbus. by the way romney starts his day on a family farm in central iowa. another midwestern battleground state. paul ryan does his debate prep today in florida. the vice president signalled a new urgency to voters saying, quote, i very much sbeintend ton this election, but we're only going to do it if everybody is obsessive between now and then. >> we cannot afford to be complacent and we can't afford to be cynical. we can't do it if you've got someone who writes off half the nation before the election, but it's not going to happen if half the nation writes off itself by not voting. >> i had a bunch of people say don't be so polite, don't be so nice. i want everybody to understand something. what what was being presented wasn't leadership, that's cease manship. . >> and then the president took the muppets attack on mitt romney. turning the says my street comments from romney about ending federal subsidies into pbs in
's romney up by two leading the president 49% to 47%. folks, this is a tight race as both candidates are keenly aware. romney began in iowa, one of the states that could prove crucial to his hopes for a path to 270 electoral votes. and he was introduced by his son, josh, who had an interesting take on romney's debate preparation. >> we'd say the same lie over and over and my dad learned then not to believe it. so while we didn't go to any of the formal debate preparation, we did the real hard stuff. as a father, he learned how to debate an obstinate child. >> kicking it off by suggesting the president is an obstinate child. that's great, mr. romney. what do you have for sale? >> i am going to put a cap on regulation and any new major regulation will have to be approved by congress. i'm not letting the politicians off the hook. >> absolutely, he's not letting politicians off the hook, just wall street, k street, polluters, abusers, everyone else. the president spent last night rallies supporters at a san francisco fund-raiser telling them he intends to win but only if his backers are
in iowa, right now mitt romney is standing both for it and against it. and at this point, in a presidential campaign, that is not tenable, not for long. also, second point, while trying to get away with this idea that he's not in favor of legislation to restrict abortion rights, despite his record to the contrary, it should be noted that mitt romney picked as his vice presidential nominee an anti-abortion absolutist named paul ryan, a man who has co-sponsored 38 anti-abortion measures in congress. who today outside an ice cream shop in florida said there is zero daylight between his and mitt romney's ideas on this subject. what paul ryan believes on abortion mitt romney believes to. right down to redefining rape in co-sponsorship with todd akin? is that included? mr. romney said today under duress that the romney/ryan position is the romney/ryan position, there's no difference between them. and he said you'll hear more about it at the vice presidential debate tomorrow. i bet you will. joining us now is steve kornacki, co-host of "the cycle." thanks for being here. >> than
that the governor does not agree with todd akin on this issue. tromping him out there as representing romney is just wrong. >> thank you both for bringing on the program. let me bring in todd hensarling. you know that the attacks are out there about mitt romney and his changing positions. the analysis in the "washington post" is that while there can be some dispute about whether he's actually changed some positions, there is no question his emphasis and tone on health care, taxes and other issues have changed. is this potentially a problem, do people know what mitt romney stands for? >> i think the real change is what people are looking for in this economy. they would like for president obama to have a different plan after we have four years of the worst economy since the great depression. so to some extent i see it as the politics of diversion from what is the real issue. and the issue is you've got 23 million of our fellow country men who can't find full-time work who want it and are having trouble paying their utility bills, putting gas in the car and figuring out how can i ever send my kids to c
is a wrenching personal one for most americans. it deals with issues that are fundamental and profound. both in terms of personal feelings and public policy. but we now have a candidate for the highest office in the land. mitt romney, for whom the whole question of abortion seems negotiable. it's just another bargaining chip, a moveable position that changes whenever is politically convenient. here's the latest from an interview from an iowa newspaper. >> do you intend to pursue any legislation specifically regarding abortion? >> there's no legislation with regard to abortion that i'm familiar with that would become part of my agenda. >> a new romney promise. no new abortion laws. is mitt to reassure women that he's really not going after their rights? the national review was told, quote, governor romney would, of course, support legislation aimed at providing greater protections for life. this is the second time this year the campaign corrected their candidate on abortion. back in august, romney said abortion should be legal in several situations, including when the health of the mother is
is where both the president and mitt romney are. and on one hand, the president's going to hang out in columbus because he's trying to one up the score. that's a good democratic county. but cincinnati, it's a swing county, right down here. it's one that president bush carried by 23,000 votes. the president carried it by 21,000 votes. it's going to tell you a lot about what's happening in ohio by where that goes. and then moving on into virginia, it won't come as a surprise to folks that the big swing county is in the northern virginia area, since that's where all the growth has been. and i'm sure folks are wondering, is it -- well, let me move here. technology stalls a little bit. is it a loudon, a fairfax, a prince william? well, according to our numbers, it's prince william, and the county seat of prince william, that's manassas. the joke about virginia is when you drive on i-66 in virginia, the welcome center when you've entered the state of virginia, you have to drive 30 miles to prince william county in manassas, and that's when you get the "welcome to virginia." but actually,
. the fight for florida is a statistical dead heat. and romney has narrowed the gap this ohio, although the buckeye state, what every republican needs to win the white house, is still solidly in obama's corner. >> this is the conversation we were having before both conventions. so almost as everything has been erased. >> i think it accounts for the hemorrhaging that they let romney back in. >> joining me now is ed schultz host of the ed show. and let's start with this. congressman ryan as well as the chairman both trying to set the stage for tonight. let's listen. >> joe biden's been on will stage many times before. this is my first time. so, sure, it's a nervous situation. because joe biden is one of the most experienced debaters we have in modern politics. >> this is miss firhis first ti. joe biden's been doing this since the 1800s. he'll do a solid job. >> so when you listen to this, the base was pretty upset last night. you were quite passionate after the debate. will biden bring the old meat ax tonight? >> i don't think vice president biden will win or lose the election tonight, bu
's lead. the buckeye stops here. there's no question this race has tightened up. both president obama and mitt romney know the key to winning the election is winning the critical swing state of ohio. the president arrived there late today, and he went right after governor romney. >> i am not going to have us go back to another round of top-down economics, but that's what my opponent is offering. the centerpiece of governor romney's economic plan is a new $5 trillion tax cuts that favors the wealthiest americans, but most of the economists who have crunched the numbers said that paying for governor romney's tax plan -- one or the other. pick your poison. last week when we were on stage together. governor romney just pretended it didn't exist. what $5 trillion tax cut? i don't know anything about a $5 trillion tax cut. pay no attention for that tax cut under the carpet behind the curtain. >>> romney's pretending his tax cut plan doesn't exist, but the president won't let him get away with it. he also won't let him get away with hitting the middle class to protect his
. ryan has to defend both his record and mitt romney's, and in some cases, those two tasks midi verge. the bottom line for ryan, he has to prove he's ready to be president. that is tonight's most important test, and one that i think a lot of people miss when it comes to what a vp debate means. ryan's readiness, of course, on foreign policy, that's going to come up as well. tonight's 90-minute debate is divided between domestic and foreign policy, and moderator martha raddatz says she will alternate between the two in nine ten-minute segments. each segment will have a response followed by untimed discussion. libya will indeed come up tonight. speaking of libya, that was the subject of a heated congressional hearing yesterday that was one part spectacle and one part substance. the bottom line, no part of the hearing was good for the white house. two former security officers from the libyan mission testified that their requests for help were either turned down or ignored. >> i asked for 12 agents. his response to that was you're asking for the sun, moon, and the stars. you know what make
of weeks. and we can also tell you that both paul ryan and mitt romney were on the record yesterday about this situation down in libya, and what vice president joe biden said in thursday night's debate. the republicans believe they caught him contradicting the state department. listen to what these two republicans had to say on the trail yesterday. >> the vice president directly contradicted the sworn testimony of state department officials. he's doubling down on denial. >> this is not what leadership looks like. we need clarity, not confusion. we need accountability, and no more excuses. >>> now ohio may ultimately be the state that turns this election one way or another. as we mentioned earlier the president still holding a lead here. obviously the auto bailout a big factor alex. about one in eight jobs are related to the auto industry. the president approved that bailout of general motors and chrysler. governor romney favored a managed bankruptcy. we'll have to see if he can make up the ground with 23 days to go. as you mentioned crisscross the state today. paul ryan will head up to mi
to address both of them and win the white house. >> would mitt romney take us to war against iran? >> i don't know, because i don't know what his policy is, ed. i think his policy, from what i've heard and talked to some of his advisers about, is almost identical with president obama's. but in order to establish a gap between them, he seems to be saying things that would indicate, yes, he would take us to war, yet again, in western asia. >> romney talked about military spending today. here's how he's going to spend tax dollars. here it is. >> i'll restore our navy to the size needed to fulfill our missions by building 15 ships per year, including three submarines. i will implement effective military defenses. >> where's he getting the money for this? and is all that necessary? >> that's a good question. we did a study at the center for american progress and the institute for policy studies, former assistant secretary of defense was on the board with me. we showed how if you cut national security spending, ed, not just the pentagon, but everything across the board, va, does you can cut a tri
continues. biden is in wisconsin and mitt romney is virginia before heading to ohio to meet up with paul ryan. let's get the reactions from both sides. cheering vice president biden, the happy warrior after his aggressive performance one that republicans are describing as condescending and disrespectful. look how the new york post put it. the contrast wasn't just between biden and ryan but between biden and president obama. the cover, vote for joe, vp shows obama how to debate. inside, smirky biden upstages his boss. with me, former ohio governor and former democratic ted strickland. did he show up the boss? >> no, but he showed up paul ryan and that's what i think is was important. he showed a lot of heart. joe biden in my judgment is not only a good public servant and good political leader but he's a good human being. he cares deeply about this country and the people who have been left behind, the struggling middle class. that came across last night. >> i had a democratic say to me if you want the passion, you're going to get stuff that you don't like. it was some of the smirks and sor
. i share this hope. but hope san strategy. >> the new mitt romney does not even flinch when he makes a blatantly false accusation. >> i'll champion free trade and restore it as a critical element of our strategy. both in the middle east and across the world. the president has not signed one new free trade agreement in the past four years. i'll reverse that failure. >> romney's correct, the president has not signed one new trade agreement. in fact, the president of the united states has signed three new trade agreements. deit last year with bipartisan support from congress. the new mitt romney hopes you forgot about those trade agreements. just like he hopes you forgot about his own position on foreign aid. >> i'll make further reforms no our foreign assistance to create sentence for good governance, free enterprise and free trade. in the middle east and beyond. rally friends to match our generosity to theirs. >> previously mitt romney took his cues from foreign aid from rick perry. >> one of the things we have to do with our foreign aid commitments, the ongoing foreign aid commitment
part a home away from home for both the obama and the romney campaigns. they're spending a lot of time here, a lot of money here because of the role that ohio may ultimately play and who wins this election come november 6. last night mitt romney and paul ryan played to a large crowd in lancaster, ohio. there was a lot of enthusiasm, a lot of excitement in the air. and in large part because they believe the republicans believe they've won these first two debates. governor mitt romney had a pretty strong performance out in denver ten days ago. paul ryan had a pretty solid performance two nights ago down in kentucky. but that excitement and energy notwithstanding there's a lot of work left to be done for this ticket here in ohio. the president still shows a lead here in ohio, even though that lead has been chipped into over the last week or two, by about half in some of these polls. putting mitt romney within striking distance of the president. now, he may still, mitt romney may still have a challenge, a hurdle to clear with some undecided voters here. and that's surrounding this auto bai
vice president biden. both sides have played the lower expectations game. the romney/ryan team has said for weeks joe biden is one of the best debaters in washington, 40 years on the hill. obviously, he knows key policy issues like the judiciary and foreign relations with his time in the senate. he's been preparing paul ryan with former u.s. solicitor-general ted olson. they're going through a mock debate session and policy briefings. tomorrow he goes up to danville, kentucky. he has been ready for this and trying to remain relaxed over the past few days. took his kids out to a pumpkin patch and some reporters asked about the debate. oh, yeah, i should get ready for that. tamron. >> thank you very much, ron. for more on how the vice president is preparing, jokes and all for thus's debate, we go to the news campaign. what kind of scoop have you got for us other than maybe a joke pretending you forget the debate in two days. >> the vice president is in wilmington, delaware at his home. he's taking six full days off the campaign trail here to get ready. he's working with chris van holland,
of the senate if they can get four seats, if romney wins the white house that number drops to three. welcome both. i'm guessing this is the only time you put on suits now. does the winner of the presidential decide control of the state senate? there's no question that it impacts races. we have said from the beginning that we think senate races can stand on their own. >> if mitt romney wins the presidency, what chances do democrats have of retaining control of the united states? >> when you look at the battleground states that you listinged. after of those states are republican held seats. >> can you gain control if president obama wins re-election? >> sure, chuck and here's why, we're win right now in connecticut, we're winning in wisconsin. we got a little separation last week or so. governor romney's strong performance, really the resurgence for the party so we feel like we have a great path to the majority with or without governor romney winning. >> let me start with a virginia. can george allen win without mitt romney carrying the state? >> obviously it would be easier if romney won the
to win this thing. >> both candidates campaigning heavily in your state, mitt romney was in virginia thursday at a coal mining rally. the president was at george mason university on friday. president obama won the commonwealth in 2008. to have a repeat performance there, what's it going to take? i know you mentioned a speaking specifically to pocketbook issues. beyond that, what's it going to take? >> well, i actually think this has been a deeply substantive election. i don't think it's been about the gaffes and the personalities. if you look in virginia, women are voting overwhelmingly for the president. and the democratic party. and that's not because of gaffes, that's because of a substantive difference of who they think cares about women. whether that's on women's health or women's economics. you've seen a real shift of concerns about medicare. that's because i think the president is protecting medicare and increasing benefits. whereas romney/ryan want to get rid of that. and in manufacturing you've seen for the first time really in years, a significant increase in manufacturing
romney up four points over barack obama. both parties have a tortured emotional lelationship with polling. why do we continue to listen? more importantly, what are the polls actually telling us? joining us is nate silver, author of "the signal and the noise: why so many predictions fail." maya wiley, profession sor for the university school of law and dave moore, author of opinion makers. a senior fellow at the institute of new hampshire and an editor of gallup where her worked for 15 years. good to have you here. nate, this is a quote from your book, about prediction in a broad sense. interesting stuff about how we use data to make predictions and how we, as we get more an more, how we identify what we need. there's more and more polls and they drive me nuts. not only does it lose the signal, it ak sen waits the noise. if a new poll comes out with a democrat with a lead -- we saw it in an arizona poll. president obama winning arizona. >> it was a big story, obama was up two in arizona, it's an unlikely result given where the election is at right now. a good pollster will have the outlyin
of romney in iowa and ohio in particular. they've got to rest one, probably both of those states away from barack obama. >> for all the swing states and those of you don't wake up with a map staring at you like chuck todd and myself, this is assuming mitt romney wins, florida, north carolina, virginia, colorado and nevada. a lot of swing states. he has to win two out of three out of ohio, wisconsin, iowa. i don't think he's going to win wisconsin. >> he has to win one of them. if he swept all those others he just had to win one. >> romney would? >> yes. >> if romney wins ohio, he's still -- >> he gets there. or he win iowa. he just has to win one of these midwestern states. >> which one is the best target for him? >> i think it's -- organizationally, i would say it's ohio. i don't know. i think both ohio and iowa are hard. >> mike i agree with you. i'm thinking iowa. >> i think there are huge organizational holes that romney dug for himself in both of those states. >> chuck, it's donny. you talked a lot and i found this fascinating about kind of enthusiasm gap as far as that energizing. i
. good morning, both of. >> did you good morning. >> susan, romney's statement appeared to be away from the democrats tried use against them and campaign quickly issued a statement saying mitt romney is pro-life. what is going on with the romney message? >> well, i think romney is -- governor romney is definitely trying to pivot to the middle. we were waiting to do this last spring and early summer when he clinched the republican nomination. he's doing it now kind of on the late side. it is the same sort of more centrist message that we heard in the debate last week. >> clearly, this is sort of across the board campaign theme that the democrats pushing. listen to bill clinton in vegas. >> i had a different reaction to that first debate than a lot of people did. i mean, i thought -- i thought -- wow. here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i missed you the last two years. now the problem with this deal is the deal was made by severe conservative mitt. that was how he described himself for two whole years. until three, four days before the debate they all got together and said hey,
people and otherwise about what this plan really is. >> yeah. >> so i think on both issues, biden put issues on the table that democrats needed to have on the table. >> now, governor, does that not me mean now that the debate between the president and mr. romney that privatization social security is is now on the table, there has to be a big different between the governor and the president now? >> right. but as e.j. said, the president made a very serious mistake because governor romney can go back and say, whoa, mr. president. didn't you say in our first debate that there are very little plans on social security? so why are you talking about this now? and that would be very confusing to voters. >> if the president pinned him down and said, my understanding now is that you're talking privatization. is that not what you're talking? >> and that would be -- >> i don't know that mr. romney wants to walk into that. >> because you're right. at that point the president gives him a choice. either repudiate his running mate or say privatization is on the table. >> and i don't know that he want
romney specifically embrace simpson-bowles or does he not? he gave us both answers in the last debate. what is your understanding of the governor's approach, he's a presidential candidate, to simpson-bowles? yes or no. >> the governor's approach to simpson-bowles it's a step in the right direction, right. >> but he has his own plan and his own plan would, you know, does not involve some of the components of simpson bowls. as it relates to that, you know, on that issue, he's been pretty clear. he's got his own plan -- >> he hasn't been clear. >> okay. time-out. mitt romney did one thing that everybody acknowledges, even though in his own party, which is pivot further towards the center. paul ryan's budget has been declared by some folks, some analysts, including those in the republican party, to be a fairly strong document win that takes specific stances on the american social compact. do you think paul ryan will be defending mitt romney's moderate position tonight or mitt romney's previously severely conservative position of the campaign trail? >> he'll be presenting people with a har
" and krystal ball, co-host of "the cycle" also on msnbc. thank you both for being here. >> thanks, reverend. >> chris, let me start with you. does vice president biden need to point to the values of fairness in the ryan plan and now the romney/ryan plan? >> yeah. i think one of the things that was so remarkable and frustrating about the performance in the presidential debate was that romney seemed to essentially disown anything that he had previously advocated that was now unpopular. he pulled this remarkable u-turn. paul ryan -- it's going to be much harder for him to do that. he wrote the ryan plan. >> right. >> he can't run away from the plan that bears his name, the plan that bears his name that would voucherize medicare. so i think the key is for joe biden to take the modern republican party, particularly the modern republican house caucus and hang it around the neck of paul ryan. >> well, ryan wrote the budget, as you said, and ryan is named after -- and he is the one that made some of these votes. kind of hard to run away from it. krystal, when you look at his record, it seems right
in affairs an a. too quick to go to war, who do you choose? there's a series like that. both candidates, both parties enforce the drug war, both candidates and both parties at the end will -- i know this is controversial -- defend entitlements. mitt romney is cutting things every day. >> rhetorically. >> and policy-wise too. >> exactly. >> his vice president is a gesture toward that but he's also kind of defanged him in that process. so for voters holding that, who don't want the president to be assassinating people, then they can rationally say -- and keep in mind too it seems obvious to a lot of people who pay a lot of attention to politics to say it's obvious to have a decision here but a plurality of defendants affiliate themselves. >> they're least likely to simply show up so this is -- we'll talk a lot about voter suppression later in the show, but one of the acts of suppression isn't in part folks feeling so disengaged with the process that they don't show up. are these folks really undecided about their vote choice or are they simply undecided about whether it's worth being part of th
that. looks like governor romney who performed beautifully in that debate is -- has seen a surge as a result. i mean, we are, you know, these things ebb and flow and pushing up against another big night for both campaigns. i think that vice president biden will do well. i think that paul ryan will do well also. but i think that the issue here is you have to remember whether for mitt romney's own gaffes or whether the media built up president obama's some figure who is going to do extremely well in this campaign and wipe the floor with mitt romney, it already set the bar so high for president obama he fell very flat. didn't come close to the bar. we have an issue paul ryan is thought to be this wonky nerd and when he comes out, if he can perform even half as well as mitt romney, they are overestimated or underestimating congressman ryan, i would say if they think he will come out and just throw out a bunch of numbers and stats and not put any hard or skin in the game so to speak. he has won a congressional district because he can relate to people. i think we are going to see some
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